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*UPDATED* I DID IT! solved the bose system upgrade issues

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#1 ·
finally did it. after doing tons of research on the way the bose system functions on our trucks i found the way to make everything work.

i have read so much and looked at so many electrical schematics i felt m head was going to explode. took me about a month of researching and finally did my first test with great success to far. its been 24hrs since i did this and the system is going strong. no blown fuses or engine noise .

so the people at BOSE are no help at all when it comes to getting info about there system. the dealership has no clue or just doesn't want anyone to upgrade. the other companies that make adapters just want to sell you more electrical components to add to your already complicated Bose system.

ok so i bought my truck brand new back in december of 09 . i have kept it stock this whole time but just hated to Bose sound system it came with. my truck has so many add ons from factory that i did not want to lose any of them also i do not want to cut any factory wires or harnesses off.did that with my last car and 10 years later when i had to put it back to stock it was a pain in the butt. so did not want to do that again.

finally about 2 months ago i just couldn't take that lame system anymore i have tons of cool audio stuff just sitting in my closet so i decided to go ahead and put a nice sound quality "SQ" sound system together.

my goal to have a "great" sounding system that just blends into my truck. keep everything hidden make it look stock. i want everything to work. steering wheel controls,on-star,back up sensors,warning chimes,turn signals,blue tooth,XM radio.

ok what i found out is that "GM" has 2 kind of Bose sound systems.
1. the standard Bose system .its in about all there Bose equipped cars and trucks
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the standard amp has the 3 harness plugs you see above.

2.the Bose luxury system. the speakers and sub are the same ones as the standard system but it has a way better amp. feeds more power and sounds better than the standard system. that one comes in GMC denali,Cadillacs,and some top of the line silverados.
that amp has 4 harness plugs.
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the amp is also slightly bigger
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i came to find out that there is big difference between both systems besides the power.

luxury system has a smart amplifier . there is a bus data line that runs from the head unit to the amp. the amp does all the thinking and crossover points for the system. it takes care of all the chimes , sensors , blue tooth, on and on. so the amp is very important to the system

the standard Bose system has a "DUMB" amp. its nothing more than a slave unit it does nothing more than amplify the signal. it does have a built in crossover that all the settings are set for. when the volume goes up past a certain point the amp turns power down to the sub to protect it . other than that the amp does nothing more.all your chimes , on-star, sensors, on and on (lol) are processed through your head unit.

after finding that out and knowing the bean counters at GM i knew that the standard bose amp was not going to have a signal sensing amp to turn on when it knows there is sound coming in. but the had to be a remote 12volt wire.
guess what? THERE IS

i came to find out that Bose did do some nice things to the head unit.the stock head unit from GM that are Bose the output from the unit to the amp are NOT high level speaker outputs like your regular non-bose head units. instead they are low level rca signals . i removed the cable and stripped back enough electrical tape to find not speaker cable but rca cable.
it also feeds a balanced low level signal. with a ground bleeder. so no engine noise is pick up. now my amps can handle balanced inputs
some amplifiers don't. but thats not a problem audio-control makes signal converters that make a balanced signal to analog so you can still keep your amp. there not too expensive.
the Bose head unit outputs 6.5 volts WOW that blows away a lot of the after market units out there .so after testing out all my research i went ahead and searched for weeks to find a harness i was not going to cut my cables

well this is what i came up with . the stock BOSE head unit sounds incredible . i cant believe the stock head unit can produce such a clean signal to my amps.

best of all EVERYTHING works like factory. my chime , turn signals are not amplified they sound just like before. even though im running some major power and all new speakers.

the factory Bose head unit feeds 4 channels out. front, left , right, and rear , left, right. the stock Bose amp internally separates the signal and gives you front,left , right, rear , left , right , but also sends out a sub output. the sub output is created by the amp not the head unit. the head unit just feeds a clean unfiltered full signal.

so this is what i made . its a straight plug and play. it plugs in at the center console . dont even have to remove the deck. i removed my amp and sub out of the center console . everything works great.

i will keep you posted incase i find any bugs. i have been thinking of maybe selling some if everything works out. to recover some of the cost of the special crimpers i had to buy to crimp the special harness pins i had to buy. those new pins GM is using are so small that the tyco and molex crimpers are too big.
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by the way as far as i know this wont work on luxury Bose systems .

i will late do a full post on my set up . once i catch up on some quality time with my family. this project took lots of time just to get a simple easy solution.

UPDATED:
bose upgrade with no adapter
 
#6 ·
hi voodoo.
i haven't been on steves in a while. i have been so busy i am just starting to free some time up to work on my nova again. no i dont have a church boys kit. right now i have no front clip on the car. im welding in a full frame narrowing in the rear axel and new frame rails to fit big fat tires out back. im going with a TCI front clip. due to the fact that im going with full air bag suspension .

anyway im glad i finished doing the system on my truck time to move on back to the nova
 
#7 ·
I WANT ONE! I'll buy one from you! I have been doing the exact same thing you were...researching these systems a lot. I had settled for the idea of using an audiocontrol unit and tapping into the rear speakers by the factory amp then running the signal to my amps. Then using the stock front drivers side speaker tucked under the dash to retain the stock chimes and then running my own new wires to the new door speakers. I just got everything purchased sitting in my basement waiting for the install.

But I would LOVE to use this part you made so I wouldnt have to strip or splice into any wires etc.

(By the way, what did you use for signal to the sub? A clean full signal bypassing the factory amp all together? I just ask because I could see the front left, right and rear left, right lines in your picture since you labelled them, but I see nothing about the subwoofer.)
 
#8 ·
the stock Bose amp has only 4 channels in. the amp internally separates the signal in its built in crossover. so it has 4 going in and 8 coming out.
yes 8 . they run a dual voice coil sub. but feed all 4 wires from the amp instead of just running 2 wires to it.

i ran 3 sets of RCA's in my truck just incase that i needed to run a audio control unit. but i have no need. my amps have a RCA output.

i fed the front out puts to the front output of my 4 channel amp. rear output to the rear output of my 4 channel amp. then i ran a set of RCA's from my 4 channel amps output to the input of my 2 channel sub amp.

i used my built in crossovers that are built into my amps. i will try to post all the info today on my install.i will also see how much interest there is in the harness. i will pm you " cruisin n style" later on the harness. but the harness works flawless . so im going to start to look into maybe making some. depending on interest .

by the way it works with all stock Bose head units even the built in navigation units. as long as its not a luxury amp set up
 
#66 ·
I have a 2019 Silverado 2500 HD with the premium bose system I'm pretty sure. My buddy just gave me a Kicker subwoofer kit #19303115 and it has dual 10 in subs that go under the back seat along with a 400W Amp I believe it is. My problem is that I keep getting mixed information on whether or not it will connect to my stock system with the bose package. I'm trying to figure out how I can make this setup work in my truck while keeping the stock bose system. I was hoping that you could help me out or give me some insight on what I need to do to make everything work properly without losing the door chimes etc. Do I need a different harness or is there a way to make the ones that came with it work properly? Sorry for the long post
 
#10 ·
funnytoe said:
cruisin_n_style said:
(By the way, what did you use for signal to the sub? A clean full signal bypassing the factory amp all together? I just ask because I could see the front left, right and rear left, right lines in your picture since you labelled them, but I see nothing about the subwoofer.)
the stock Bose amp has only 4 channels in. the amp internally separates the signal in its built in crossover. so it has 4 going in and 8 coming out.
yes 8 . they run a dual voice coil sub. but feed all 4 wires from the amp instead of just running 2 wires to it.

i ran 3 sets of RCA's in my truck just incase that i needed to run a audio control unit. but i have no need. my amps have a RCA output.

i fed the front out puts to the front output of my 4 channel amp. rear output to the rear output of my 4 channel amp. then i ran a set of RCA's from my 4 channel amps output to the input of my 2 channel sub amp.

i used my built in crossovers that are built into my amps. i will try to post all the info today on my install.i will also see how much interest there is in the harness. i will pm you " cruisin n style" later on the harness. but the harness works flawless . so im going to start to look into maybe making some. depending on interest .

by the way it works with all stock Bose head units even the built in navigation units. as long as its not a luxury amp set up
I would be interested as well
 
#12 ·
update

i have been shopping around to price rca's for the harness. i wont be using the stinger rca's you see in the picture of the first harness i made. i happen to have those from my last system but they cost way too much to put in a harness. the rca's you see in the picture of my first harness were the top of the line stinger dream series . now they have been replaced with stingers 8000 series .
they run about $40 per set . so it would be $80 on rca's alone to make 1 harness.

im sure most people dont want to pay over $100 for a harness. this is the best i have found so far.
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they are very well insulated . i would like to sell these harnesses for $50 or less but i have to price out everything . what sucks is the harness it self i have to buy by bulk.
i was lucky enough to get 2 sent to me as samples but if i do make some i will have to buy a bunch of harness heads.

so im putting my feelers out there to you guys. so far 2 people have shown interest . now that you guys know around how much they will be anyone interested ????

yes im sure a company that makes harnesses can make them way cheaper than me. im just a guy in a garage making these on my spare time.

i also looked into the stock speaker harness. 2 problems i ran in to

1. the stock speaker harness feeds the rear doors just fine. but the front doors is a different story. it feeds out to the doors but right before it enters the door it splits and also feeds the tweeters on the pillars.
if you were to run it like that it will drop your ohm load to your amp. if you run coaxial speakers then you just have to unplug the tweeters on the pillar and your fine.

2. the harness connecter to plug into the stock speaker harness no one stocks. i can get it . but i have to order 600 units . so im not going to do that.i know i will end up with almost all of them

i did not use the stock speaker wires . i ran my own . my amps sit on the back wall anyway

well guys let me know what you think about the harness . i am working with an electronics place that might be able to sell me small amounts of connector heads for the rca's incase i dont get much interest i can make a small amout for the guys who would like some.
 
#23 ·
im not familiar with all the bose system setups that gm has done over the years. the only research i did was on the 09 year truck but im sure that all the new body style gm trucks are the same. if the amp looks any thing like the picture then it should be the same. but if you only have 2 plugs i have no clue on how it is wired or how it works. sorry
 
#24 ·
is there anyway to tell if you have the luxury or normal system? i have a 2013 silverado ltz ext cab full load except sunroof and rear entertainment and my bose system sounds great, but if im missing out i want to know lol
 
#26 ·
brute93 said:
is there anyway to tell if you have the luxury or normal system? i have a 2013 silverado ltz ext cab full load except sunroof and rear entertainment and my bose system sounds great, but if im missing out i want to know lol
If you read the beginning of the post. I put the pictures of the luxury amp vs the Bose non luxury amp.

I believe only Cadillac and Denali are the only one with luxury Bose amp