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The GM trucks from 2014 on are no Direct Injection and the intake valve coking issue now affects the V8's (where until now the ecotech 4L and the 3.6L V6's have been the biggest problem engines).

Stopping the oil ingestion into the intake charge is now more important than ever.

This issue is covered here for the new Corvette, but the Truck 6.2 is configured the same except for the dry-sup.

Let me know any that have questions. Easier to stop this from happening from the beginning VS after the deposits have formed:

The detonation and carbon deposits most probably already know about, so we will focus on the brand new issue of Direct injection.

Most can remember seeing the placards on a Shell/Mobil/Chevron fuel pump with the dirty and clean intake valves, well these are accurate and not just marketing. In the past, the detergent additives of the top tier fuels kept deposits from forming on intake valves as with the port injection engines the injectors kept a constant spray of fuel showering the valves so we never had to wory aoubt intake valve coking:

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Direct injection has a ton of technical improvements over port injection such as allowing greater power to made from a higher compression ratio (11.5:1 vs 10.2:1 port injection) as the fuel is only introduced into the combustion chamber during the final 20-30% of the compression stroke, we no longer have as high of a probability of detonation (pre-ignition) from a hot spot like carbed or port injection. Also, since the pressure the fuel is delivered to the injector is 2,000-3,000 PSI atomization is far better and now fuel injectors never have a chance to build up deposits. This also results in better fuel economy, and more.

The one downside the industry did not anticipate is now since the fuel never touches the intake valves, the oil present in the PCV vapors bakes on to, or "Cokes" the intake valves resulting in a degradation in power and MPG in as little as 10-15k miles since no fuel ever touches the intake valves:

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This results in buildup on the intake valves as shown here:
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This is NOT a GM only issue, it affects every make/model of DI 4 stroke engine including motorcycles, outboards, and snowmobiles. Some more than others as you can see in this link of photos from techs all over the world:

https://www.google.com/search?q=intake+ ... 6&dpr=0.95

GM has made great strides in the much improved baffles in both the valve covers and the valley cover where the crankcase dirty side is evacuated through, but there is still a ton of oil entering the intake air charge from 2 points.

One is the dirty side (foul) that is common in the past, the valley cover so a good catchcan will stop that, but the other is the same as the earlier C6 Z06 dry sump tank vent that burps oil into the intake air bridge before on the c6, and now into the baffles on the OEM air box with the C7.

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Many may have seen the pictures Ron at Vengence posted elsewhere of the bag full of oil they found on the fiorst C7 in, and here is what we found on this brand new one (after the first 3 from Ron):
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Here is a step by step pictorial of what we see, and how it is cured:

First, we are using the dual valve can with integrated flow controlling checkvalves mounted inline and the RX cleanside separator at the oil sump:

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Lets look at where the oil ingests, and how the C7 engine 's PCV system works.

First, the filtered, MAF measured fresh air enters the drivers side valve cover via this main line from the airbox baffles:
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Since this we will be correcting with a secondary suction/evac source preventing reversion, or back flow through this into the air box, we are leaving this line intact.

Then the passenger side valve cover has two fittings that join and vent through the drysump tank and also connect to the airbox. Then a line runs from the tank to the airbox. This is the problem one as it allows a path for any oil from the tank to "burp" directly into the airbox. So this is removed (note it has insulation on it):

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We then replace the oil fill cap on the sump tank with the RX cleanside oil separator, and connect the enclosed line from the separator to the air box barb left open from removing the OEM line:
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This now will trap the oil that does "burp" and hold it in the separator during the moments when the oil would exit (during hard cornering, braking, acceleration) and holds it from ingestion until the flow pulls it back in when in full vacuum mode (idle, deceleration, or cruising). So now we have the clean, or fresh side addressed, lets get to the real culprit of steady oil ingestion. This is the U shaped convoluted line that runs from the Intake manifold vacuum barb down to the valley cover barb just below. This is all new for 2014 and has a much improved baffle under the valley cover in an attempt to slow oil ingestion, and the exit barb it'self is now a one-way checkvalve VS the restrictive fixed orifice of the L99 and LS3 versions (that were too restrictive to allow proper evacuation). So props to GM for addressing part of this issue (we have used the checkvalves for 12 years now back with the C5 to correct this issue). So this helps reduce the backflow, or reversion during WOT, but does not eliminate it, and we will get to how we correct that as well.

So here is the foul side line (Note the vacuum barb now is on the drivers side of the IM snout VS the passenger side on the gen 3 &4 versions of the LS engine):
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And the one way checkvalve valley cover barb where all the crankcase vapors along with the oil most and damaging combustion byproducts are evacuated:
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By simply pressing the tabs, these lines will quick disconnect, and the barbs are 3/8" so the included lines with the RX system slide snugly on all.

Now we simply connect the center of the RX can to the valley barb (and since it already is a checkvalve, no additional valve need be installed here):

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And the primary outlet of the RX can will now connect to the vacuum barb left open after removing the U shaped OEM tube, WITH a checkvalve flowing away from the can (this is to ensure no mixing and reversion)

And finally, the secondary outlet with checkvalve flowing away from the can will run to a hole drilled into the coupler just in from of the throttle body. This is going to provide suction for evacuation while in WOT operating mode when vacuum inside the IM is non existent from he reversion pulses present. This will now ensure the flow is always traveling in the right direction, and the checkvalve prevents any backflow.

The RX can will separate the oil and other compounds from the vapors and only cleansed vapors are entering the intake air charge preventing the intake valve coking as well as the other oil caused issues most are aware of.

Here is the entire system.

as it is finished:

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Any questions, just ask.
 
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Question for you Tuner Boost, does RX make one for a 94 LT1 Corvette? I was on their website and didn't see it. I've been wanting to get one for my Vette and my 09 6.2. I've read the write ups you & others have done about the catch cans and I'm sold on the idea. Thanks

Cory
 
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Hi Cory, yes. The single valve for 97 and up corvette works. Just the install is a little different. The LT1 has a PCV valve in a valve cover and the can goes inline between the PCV valve and the intake manifold . Valve cover side to center of can, IM side to our of can.
 
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I think I'll be good to go then since I'm running the chrome GMPP chrome covers & they had a baffle under the oil fill hole. Next question would be when I put the ProCharger D-1SC on it would any changes be suggested. My truck will stay stock so I don't have any questions on what to do on it.
 

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Anyone with a 2014 that has 15k or more miles on and is near the Tampa/Sarasota area we are looking for an example to come in, and we will remove your intake manifold at no cost to document the intake valve coking issue. You will get a TB and IM cleaning free out of the deal, and get to see first hand how severe this issue is.

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My God if you could see what come out of my RX catch can it would make you sick!

For anyone that lives near there this is a DEAL! Might even get a discount on a RX Can if you ask nicely. Reason I say that is after you see what your intake looks like you will be in tears or throwing up. Got to love the USG and the emissions control.
 
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Also, all 2014 and up owners, the connections are slightly different than the 2013 and older. Follow the corvette engine instructions in the first post. The foul (dirty) vapors are now evacuated from the valley cover vent under the throttle body as shown, and the vacuum port is on the center of the drivers side of the intake manifold for the truck.

The cleanside separator replaces the oil fill cap, and the fresh linne from the air box intake tube to the valve cover is replaced with the cleanside separator.
 
#12 ·
Excellent info from GM engineers on the Gen5 engines and intake valve coking. Article is on the new super charged LT 4, but same basic engine you have in the 5.3 and 6.2 trucks:

Anyway, there is an excellent article in the Dec 2014 issue of Hot Rod on the new LT 5 and quoting GM engineers, and this I did not expect...as far as I know, GM is the first major automaker (I may be mistaken, but I follow this close and it's the first I recall) to openly disclose the issue with intake valve coking, the causes, and how they are dealing with it. The LT 4 has gone a few steps further than the first Gen 5 and as far as I can see have maxed out the oil separation ability before they are also trapping and returning the damaging compounds that must be evacuated and removed to not cause engine damage. That falls into the 20-25% range which is BETTER than most catch cans.

Hats off to the GM leash holders allowing the engineers being straight on this!! And as many that have read and followed my threads and posts on this over the years, this may sound like a broken record. But it is not from me....it is from GM themselves.

Please read:

just got the Dec, 2014 issue of Hot Rod, please copy Rick and Co. on this. They are discussing the brand new 650 HP LT5 engine for the new Z06, and for the first time, GM engineers admit to the issue I have identified in these direct injection engines, and what they are doping to address it. Just like a presentation from me:

According to John Rydzewski, assistant cief engineer fro small block v8's

" One issue that faced engineers was equalizing the pressure across different parts of the crankcase. The Gen 5 block has bulkhead breathing cavities just above the cross-bolts on the nodular iron main caps to allow air to circulate between cylinder banks, yet that proved to be insufficient on the LT4. Because all oil drain-back feeds through the center of the block, differences in crankcase pressure can prevent oil from draining properly, causing the PCV to suck up oil rather than crankcase gasses. "Its critical that we get oil out of the valley", says Allen \Rice, the design engineer responsible for ventilation and lubrication. The solution was simple: Two holes, roughly 5/8 inch in diameter, were drilled into each lifter valley. A PCV separator, which is unique to the LT4, was developed to keep oily air from being drawn through the intake, where it could end up collecting on the back of the intake valves. A little bit of oil on a port injected engine can help lubricate valves, but because all Gen % V8's are direct injected, there's no fuel washing the back of the intake valve. That means oil in the PCV system can end up sticking to the back of the hot valves impeding airflow and eventually preventing the valves from seating properly.

Here is a link to the entire article:

http://www.hotrod.com/feature_stories/1 ... ewall.html

Stopping this oil ingestion from day one is critical all....here is what the valves look like w/just 5500 miles on:


And a great video of using the crushed walnut shell media blasting:

 
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UPDATE!!! For the passenger side clean air tube for those with the RX system using the billet cleanside separator, simply run the line that now goes to the air bridge to the driverside valve cover barb (that was to be capped) and cap the air bridge where the pass side did connect stock. This brings in 100% MAF metered air to both banks after running through the cleanside separator and at the correct flow rate.

Was far more simple than we realized. Cheers!
 
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Wanted to bump this back up for the new owners of GDI engines.

Elite Engineering now has a just released system as well that is correcting this. The E2-X systems made just for the unique demands of today's GDI engines. Get on this early to prevent issues later. We are now seeing intake valve valves guides wearing out by 30K or so miles and that is alarming. It appears the hard abrasive deposits on the valve stems are being cycled up into the guides with every open/close cycle and it is wearing them out more rapidly than back in the 60's and 70's when this was common. Something not seen in the past 20-30 years as port injection engines could go several hundred thousand miles and not have any coking.

Only time will tell what more we have to look forward to.
 
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pulled the air filter off my C7 and it must of had 2 cups of oil in the housing and filter .put a can on it . now on my 15'' truck you turn the heat on and it smells like burnt oil . changed the oil at 500 mi. and now at 1000 the oil life is at 70 %. its a shame but everyone of these motors GM is making needs to have a catch can . if you dont have one get one .
 
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