[JustRight]

Fram Ultra, up until last year, has been considered the best oil filter for the last 15-20 years. Like most things, there's varying levels of quality.....the orange can of death, the silver Tough Guard, and then the gold Ultra or Endurance/Titanium.

Wix has gone downhill in QC the last 1-3 years unfortunately and the Wix XP/NAPA Platinum have horrid efficiency.

Right now, the top filters are Microgard Select (Oreillys), Carquest Premium (AAP), ChampXL, and Pentius XL. Quality, efficiency, etc. are all tops for these. The new Purolator gold 20k filter looks nice and supposedly has way better efficiency than the Purolator Boss (similar to Wix XP/NAPA Plat) but also costs like $16.

Sorry, I have to speak up about this. What is your source from? Fram has been garbage and the direct cause of numerous engine failures throughout my 54 years of turning wrenches. They fail the very worst on every single multi-brand oil filter test ever conducted. When contacted about the findings they always reply, " We don't care what the test says, we sell a lot of them."

 

[davester3500]

Sorry, I have to speak up about this. What is your source from? Fram has been garbage and the direct cause of numerous engine failures throughout my 54 years of turning wrenches. They fail the very worst on every single multi-brand oil filter test ever conducted. When contacted about the findings they always reply, " We don't care what the test says, we sell a lot of them."

This is ridiculous.

Like a lot of manufacturers, they make filters at a variety of quality levels, for different price points. You buy the cheapest filter, don't expect it to work as if it was super expensive. The higher end Fram filters have good filter media, good construction, and work just fine.

Way back, their cheap filters were too cheap, and sucked. Even their cheap filters aren't that bad anymore, they just shouldn't be run that long between changes.

 

[roorancher]

Wix, Wix, or Wix. O'Reilly's has them. That orange stuff sounds like cheese from somebody's breakfast sandwich...nasty stuff, and not real cheese.

I don't trust dealerships very much, and sure don't trust the quicky oil change places. I know of two instances where the vehicle left the DEALER with zero oil, one Chevy and one VW. And I know of one instance where a Speedi-Lube didn't change the oil in an early Jeep Cherokee (Chevy V-6 from the factory)...after some years, of scheduled oil changes, it seized. The Jeep dealer asked if they'd EVER had the oil changed. The Speedi-Lube manager offered to print out enough receipts to get the Jeep warranty to replace the engine. Another quick lube place sent a friend of my brother's home more than two quarts low. It took 2 quarts to get oil onto the dipstick. Whether dealer or independent shop, I pop the hood and check the dipstick myself.

I don't want any of those situations to happen to my truck, so I either change the oil myself or I stand outside the service bay and watch them like a hawk. For the last 10 years, I've changed it myself, and I'm 80 years old and pretty crippled up. I'm pretty sure they don't ever bother.

I'm 71 with 8 vehicles and a boat. I do it all myself. The chassis is good, but the suspension has been worked on 12 times, with another coming up.
In all my years I can recount maybe only half a dozen times when someone other than me has changed oil, although I cannot recount the circumstances. I assume it was after a surgery......LOL!

 

[bbrriiaann1973]

Permatex Ultra Copper is exactly that color, but in the pic it looks more like gelatin than RTV.


GM just plain SUCKS today! I've come to despise the company I once revered. They are run by SCUMBAGS, and have been for damned near 2 decades now.

They weaseled their way out of so many warranty claims when my '07 Silverado 1500 (GMT-900 series) was new, I swore them off then. I kept that POS running for 134k miles over 16 years, and sold it. Damned thing was in the shop getting warranty work done 90% of the first 3 years / 30k miles! Then I got stuck fixing it constantly from there!

Brakes pulsated with FORTY miles on the friggin thing. How the eff does that even happen??? Chinese metals help. SEVEN warranty brake jobs never fixed it - only went away when the hub bearings failed at 60k & I replaced them with something good. Went back another 5 times for squeaks, rattles, and driveline clunks - thing only had 2k miles when that started!! 4x4 switch began to fail right out of the gate, and the dealership used my ignorance at the time to kick that can right out of the warranty period. Knowing what I know now, I could've thrown the stored "B" codes right in their face! Front end was smoked before it even hit 40k. Engine started to use oil when heavy on the RPMs / load at 50k. Then at 97k during a fluid change I found the tips of 75% of the spider gear teeth in the magnet, which smashed a tooth of the side gear when it ran through it. Also there wasn't any clutch material left on the G80 pack! Fixed that with an Ox air locker, then 6k miles later the 3 / 4 clutch pack went up in smoke, leaving all the clutch material in the pan. After extracting that transmission and installing a new one, that set the stage for me quitting auto repair & closing my shop just 14 months later! THE MOST INFURIATING job I have EVER done!! That truck was engineered by ASSHOLES!! After finding every make and model being built the same way as time went on, I threw in the towel!

I had big plans for this thing. Was going to supercharge it with a Truck Norris cam install. The new trans was built to handle it. Would've been great! Then for whatever reason the thing suddenly started clogging Amsoil oil filters up so bad that it caused a BIG drop in hot idle oil pressure. Then the oil pressure sensor failed, and after extracting that friggin thing I wanted to set the truck on fire! Also lost a dental pick, after extracting the AFM screen from the port, up on top of the transmission. I had been using that thing in repair work for 2 decades! Looked for it in vain! GONE! In another friggin dimension!! Then after oiling the undercarriage as I had been doing for years prior in preparation for the winter of '22-'23, the cluster lit up like a Christmas tree! Started banging shifts so hard I thought I would destroy the new transmission! Lost communication with all kinds of modules. After some infuriating troubleshooting, I found a TINY bit of oil had got into the ABS connector. What a fine location for a module! Right under the truck where EVERYTHING can get inside! If oil got in, then salt was getting in. That was the last straw. Sold the truck, then took a huge hit selling off all the brand new hotrod parts I had bought for it. BIG lesson learned there! After that, I was also done with 21st century vehicles!

Seeing stories like the OP's all over the net just makes my blood boil. GM should've been left to die in '08-'09. Can't believe they STILL get away with this shit!!!

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If you dont like GM anymore then why are you on a,GM site? This is what I dont understand about guys like you, the decision was made in your life to stop buying GM products! Great that's your choice, now you to what ever manufacturer you want and leave us GM guys alone! We don't want to hear about how you were wronged and now you hate GM. Us guys that love GM and have had great service from GM over the years want to talk to people who love and enjoy GM trucks! Thats why we come to this site, now do people have problems with GM trucks? Sure they do, we all have and we lean on each other to help fix them. But the last thing we want to hear is a guy like you whine and complain about GM trucks! If you don’t like GM trucks anymore then go buy what ever makes you happy. Just stop trying to bring down our experiences being proud GM truck owners! I am 52 years old, I've owned nothing but Chevy cars and trucks. And I am happy that I have the ability to say so.

 

[Spectreniner]

Sorry, I have to speak up about this. What is your source from? Fram has been garbage and the direct cause of numerous engine failures throughout my 54 years of turning wrenches. They fail the very worst on every single multi-brand oil filter test ever conducted. When contacted about the findings they always reply, " We don't care what the test says, we sell a lot of them."

Maybe the Orange cans, but not the Fram Ultra/Endurance/Titanium lineup.

What multi-brand oil filter testing are you referencing and how do they fail? This would be news to the oil/filter world, especially at BITOG. As far as testing, Ascent Filtration tested a handful of filters, the results are here:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/would-you-all-like-to-see-iso-4548-12-oil-filter-lab-testing-comparison-efficiency-capacity-pressure-vs-flow-bubble-point-and-burst.334882/page-19#post-5789087

This is to the industry standard ISO 4548-12 testing, which any quality manufacturer is going to use for filtration efficiency numbers. Doesn't appear that Fram Ultra failed and was in fact, the best filter they tested.

So, you'll have to forgive us if we take your singular anecdotal experience with some grains of salt versus actual real-world testing done with industry standards. We also don't know your usage of filters. For all we know, you could have tried going 50k on an orange can and it failed and thus, "omg, this filter sucks, didn't last 50k!"

 

[goldpack]

in just 14 more posts = 100....
and I wonder if the OP will ever sign back in to read all these jewels of wisdom.
maybe traded that minty new truck in on a Ford /Dodge/ Toyota to solve the collective problem.
(so in a month, some other person will sign in here, and say,..."I just bought a truck, check engine light, dealer says orange crap and metal flecks in oil....thinking about ditching it fast,...but whatever that new car 👃spray they put in it has me in love with it)

 

[Johnny55]

Hello,

I have a 2022 5.3 silverado with 27k miles on it. My check engine light came on (not flashing) so I brought it into my dealer. They found metal shavings and an orange rubbery substance in my oil. I had an oil change about 70 miles ago (third party shop) and they are telling me that this won’t be covered under warranty because it is a foreign substance and they don’t know what it is. Has anyone ever heard of something like this? What avenues do I have to dispute a denial? I don’t understand how this would not be covered under warranty, the orange substance has to be from a failing engine component, but they are acting like it is not.

Curious what the P code was? And were there any symptoms other than the light ???

 

[MacQ]

Why are we talking about a Toyota on a GM site and a tread about a GM truck? What kind of vehicle you have is irrelevant to this warranty conversation. I want to hear about GM issues not other car companies! I have a 2021 Silverado and a 1970 C10, that's why I am on this site! GM trucks!

Didn't mean to get your panties all in a wad. I was talking about sticking to a dealer doing all the work until out of warranty. Sure it sucks to pay dealer to do it, but when stuff goes south, one usually doesn't have to deal with the BS from the dealer not wanting to take responsibility. I could have been disingenuous and not even mentioned a brand, letting the reader think I was talking about a Silverado or Sierra.

Hope you got your panties fixed by now and have put on your big boy undies. Shees!

 

[hjdaihl]

Did you purchase this vehicle new, so you can attest to the mileage? If so I would make a gentleman’s plea with the dealership and then remind them of the power of Social Media when you have all your facts.

 

[f600home]

What a bunch of nonsense.
The guy is asking.
I don't care if you ex got her engine fixed. That's not the question.
Send the samples or material to a oil testing facilities.
Metal shavings?
They will send you the answer without people guessing or telling you about their ex wife's vehicle.

 

[tsuintx]

TF???

 

[RedSLEd]

Well, it's the Internet. Lots of nonsense.

 

[Jjake]

Thanks all, I stopped receiving email notifications and didn’t realize people were still responding.

The field service engineer came down and was in agreement with the dealer that it is a foreign substance so I completely expect my warranty to be denied. I’ve been calling around to tons of labs trying to find one that can test a physical substance found in the oil. It’s not a liquid, it seems rubbery. I may have found one that will test it but I’m still waiting on a call back. Blackstone wouldn’t test for it (I called them myself) and the dealership is no help. At this point I’m trying to get as much information as I can to bring back to the oil shop to try to get them to put in a claim to their insurance. Or speak to a lawyer.

The dealership that I bought it from is about 60 miles from my house and the dealership near me doesn’t have a great reputation so I’ve just been using the third party oil shop. Obviously I wish I had done things differently.

Codes were p0016 p0011 p0324. I guess they noticed that I had just had an oil change 70 miles ago so they checked my oil first?

 

[RollaMo]

I know it's not what you want to hear but if it really is a "foreign substance" unrelated to any part inside the engine, then it is completely understandable that GM would deny warranty coverage.

No manufacturer is going to warranty damage covered by something they had no control over.

So, getting to the bottom of what that substance could be is really important as to how the outcome turns out.

Also, be careful and not mention the word "lawyer" to anyone at the dealership or even the oil change place.
Once you utter that word, pretty much guarantee all communication between the business and yourself will cease.
All communication from that point on will be forced to go through lawyers.
You really, really don't want to go down that road until it is a last resort.

People mention the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act also, and the burden of proof being on GM to prove a certain part may or may not have caused the failure.
Though that may be true, you can stand in front of the service manager and scream all you want and it wont help.
You would have to take them to court in order to win that argument.
You would likely run out of money long before GM does.

 

[Jjake]

This was found in my camshaft actuator selonoid valve by the engineer. They are in agreement it is not part of the engine. It might not necessarily be that round shape that was just a guess.

also, only very small specks of this were found after the selonoid valve and in the oil pan.

 

[Jjake]

I know it's not what you want to hear but if it really is a "foreign substance" unrelated to any part inside the engine, then it is completely understandable that GM would deny warranty coverage.

No manufacturer is going to warranty damage covered by something they had no control over.

So, getting to the bottom of what that substance could be is really important as to how the outcome turns out.

Also, be careful and not mention the word "lawyer" to anyone at the dealership or even the oil change place.
Once you utter that word, pretty much guarantee all communication between the business and yourself will cease.
All communication from that point on will be forced to go through lawyers.
You really, really don't want to go down that road until it is a last resort.

People mention the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act also, and the burden of proof being on GM to prove a certain part may or may not have caused the failure.
Though that may be true, you can stand in front of the service manager and scream all you want and it wont help.
You would have to take them to court in order to win that argument.
You would likely run out of money long before GM does.

I agree with all of this. I’m coming to the conclusion that it must have come out of a faulty oil filter but proving that is tough. Right now just trying to get as much information as I possibly can before approaching the oil shop or even insurance. However this happened I’m positive it was an accident and I don’t want a legal mess.

 

[JustRight]

Maybe the Orange cans, but not the Fram Ultra/Endurance/Titanium lineup.

What multi-brand oil filter testing are you referencing and how do they fail? This would be news to the oil/filter world, especially at BITOG. As far as testing, Ascent Filtration tested a handful of filters, the results are here:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/would-you-all-like-to-see-iso-4548-12-oil-filter-lab-testing-comparison-efficiency-capacity-pressure-vs-flow-bubble-point-and-burst.334882/page-19#post-5789087

This is to the industry standard ISO 4548-12 testing, which any quality manufacturer is going to use for filtration efficiency numbers. Doesn't appear that Fram Ultra failed and was in fact, the best filter they tested.

So, you'll have to forgive us if we take your singular anecdotal experience with some grains of salt versus actual real-world testing done with industry standards. We also don't know your usage of filters. For all we know, you could have tried going 50k on an orange can and it failed and thus, "omg, this filter sucks, didn't last 50k!"

My feelings aren't hurt. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Although, I've never seen a serious racer with one on their car. I ran them when I was racing thinking I was buying the best. Several times I removed the filter and there was no oil in it. It had bypassed from the very beginning. I sold car part products for years and have seen some interesting failures on all types of car parts. Sadly, car part quality today is running about 50% and why so many mechanics are leaving the trade. I say, keep using Fram and hope for the best. That's why they still make Toyota and Hyundai to give you a choice. If they just made Toyotas, there would be nothing to complain about. Best regards.

 

[JustRight]

This was found in my camshaft actuator selonoid valve by the engineer. They are in agreement it is not part of the engine. It might not necessarily be that round shape that was just a guess.

also, only very small specks of this were found after the selonoid valve and in the oil pan.

One of those that color in every Fram oil filter.

 

[Motor7]

Go find out what brand/model(s) of oil filter that was used in that last oil change. Buy one and cut it open.

 

[Man In Black]

If you dont like GM anymore then why are you on a,GM site? This is what I dont understand about guys like you, the decision was made in your life to stop buying GM products! Great that's your choice, now you to what ever manufacturer you want and leave us GM guys alone! We don't want to hear about how you were wronged and now you hate GM. Us guys that love GM and have had great service from GM over the years want to talk to people who love and enjoy GM trucks! Thats why we come to this site, now do people have problems with GM trucks? Sure they do, we all have and we lean on each other to help fix them. But the last thing we want to hear is a guy like you whine and complain about GM trucks! If you don’t like GM trucks anymore then go buy what ever makes you happy. Just stop trying to bring down our experiences being proud GM truck owners! I am 52 years old, I've owned nothing but Chevy cars and trucks. And I am happy that I have the ability to say so.

So only your opinion matters and should be allowed and nobody else . Sound familiar lately MAGA ?