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So to start this off
Going back to a full size truck with mpg that so has been higher than my last diesel. I wanted more tow power. What about anyone else, seems like this 1/2 ton diesel group isn't catching on. I know its the first year and no one wants to buy one till they get feed back from others that took the dive.
 

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It will be interesting to see if these small diesels find a place in this segment. The American car market hasn't been kind in general to diesels. These small diesels don't have as much towing capacity as the larger gassers in this segment. But the gas mileage is better. So if a 10K+ rating isn't as important to you, seems like a reasonable choice. It will be interesting to see how they catch on.
 

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I'm a diesel guy but I don't know why anyone would choose this engine over the 6.2L. However, I also don't know what the price difference. I do know they got the same torque output, I'm sure the diesel is at a lot lower RPM. Still not enough to justify in my opinion.
 

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I'm a diesel guy but I don't know why anyone would choose this engine over the 6.2L. However, I also don't know what the price difference. I do know they got the same torque output, I'm sure the diesel is at a lot lower RPM. Still not enough to justify in my opinion.
I thought I read that pricing in Canada at least has the upgrade to the 6.2 or 3.0 pretty much on par with each other. I would probably go for the 6.2 as well because soon enough N/A V8s will disappear.

I do like the fact the 3.0 is an inline six and the peak torque is at a low RPM.

Now, if GM went ahead and replaced the 2.8 in the midsize trucks with the 3.0 - we have a winner!

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not to derail this thread too much...but i think it would be interesting if GM developed an inline 6 diesel with HP and torque numbers in-between (or about the same level) the 6.6 gas and the Duramax for their 2500s and 3500s.
 

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Here is the deal and what put me over the edge on buying my truck. I went in with a 17 Colorado 2.8 2wd (been getting the same mpg's as the Colorado), I gave them a limit on cash deal. I also told them that was out the door price and the rest is history. I have yet to go on a long trip with it but the 6.2 would have to do some really great things to get the mpg over 31. The other thing on this was, you have to run the good gas, not reg. So at 16/20 on good gas its about $0.15 per mile. The diesel 23/29 $ 0.09 per mile to drive. The math says it all and where I live when the storms hit and people start to fill up their trucks/cars with gas, the diesel pumps never run out at the reg stations. I always have fuel. Plus it just sounds good.
That's just me and my $ .02 cents
 

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The tow ratings seems to right up there with the gas engines. I have a few years until I replace my truck, which gives some time for the 3.0 duramax and power stroke to prove themselves. But I will likely go with Diesel for my next truck. Everyone I know with the Ram Ecodiesel is very happy with them. Great fuel economy, strong towing, and no stupid AFM. I'm surprised there isn't more chatter on these forums about the 3.0.
 

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Sure do. Buddy just bought the Colorado with the mini Max. Getting an average of 30mpg. But it's all a wash to the added cost of fuel, def, and maintenance.

Neat sounding exhaust notes from these though

And I have heard the opposite with the eco diesel. There is a lot of info on the forums and YouTube about their various issues.

I know some one who ditched theirs after about a year of ownership

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Gas is currently $1.03/L and diesel is $1.21/L where I live ...

It would take a while for the cost of upgrading to diesel a long time to pay for itself.

I did the math based on the cost of the new Jeep Wrangler diesel for fun ($10k CAD upgrade) and it would take nearly 13 years to pay for itself if all remained equal in fuel prices.

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I've been keeping track of these light truck diesels for a few months now because i am actually considering one in a few years. My gmc and chevy got an average of 16-17 mpg mixed city and highway driving. My current Ram hemi gets about the same and a full tank range of about 415 miles. My chevy and GMC had a full tank range of ~375.
I've seen video after video of people testing these new duramaxes and they are getting upwards of 30 mpg and ranges in 600-700 mile range. The ram eco diesel that was just annouced shows 32 mpg epa estimated and with the large tank can go over 1000 miles! to me, the extra $0.65 a gallon seems worth it. I would be more privy to the duramax with it being an inline 6 over a gravity strained v6. The ecodiesel is a $4000~ option over the stock v6 and the duramax almost a $6000~ option over the stock 4 banger.
 

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I am interested in the new diesel in the half ton. But I was reading on the tow ratings and it is the same as the 2012 Silverado 1500 I have now, 9600lbs max. Sure the payload is less also but not sure on that. Looking to buy a toy hauler for 2 full size Harleys and looking for a truck to pull more weight. Sure my truck would be fine but figuring a final weight of around 8,500lbs, so was hoping for a little better number out of the new diesel.
 

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Need advise: I live in Nevada and the only emissions required for the new 3.0 Diesel are Federal, but the local dealer sells California emission trucks because they are near the state line (Carson City). I'm new to Diesel rigs and the new 3.0 truck runs great with plenty of power in the hills. I can order a Federal emissions truck or buy a California truck off their lot; today. I can't find out the difference between the two trucks, I can find lots of graphs and mubo jumbo but can't find anybody that can tell me what it all means. If there are any Diesel guys out there I would like to get your opinions. I'm not sure if they both have Cat converters, air pumps, EGR systems, different settings on the smog control module etc, or just different paperwork IE; Sticker. I have a feeling the mileage will be better on the Nevada truck, but again the dealers are not talking.
looking forward to your help, thanks Hercules100
 

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There are no air pumps or any of that. That stuff all left many, many years ago.

Basically you have the emissions system on the motor, then the after treatment system in the exhaust.

The motors emissions consist of the EGR system (exhaust gas recirculation). There is an egr cooler and valve as well as all the plumbing for that.

This is the system that makes the motor eat it's own excrement.

Then there is the after treatment system. Which is a DOC, DPF, and SCR (diesel oxidation catalyst, diesel particulate filter, and selective catalytic reduction). The DOC is essentially just a diesel version of a regular catalytic converter on a gas vehicle.

The dpf traps the actual particles of soot and hold on to them until a regen happens, which during that, fuel is injected into the exhaust stream to essentially super heat the dpf and burn off the captured soot particles.

Then the scr is an always running system that injects DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) into the catalyst to help neutralize the nox, which is the "harmful" emissions. But don't worry your saving the earth once plastic jug and cardboard box at a time.

Combined these systems cause so many issues and rob power. They are very sensitive to anything amiss and will cause engine derate and shut down conditions if they see something off. Best way is to delete them, but I have not yet seen any available options to do that for the 3.0 duramax as of yet.

However, to answer your exact question on the cali truck vs the standard truck, I have no idea. Probally even stricter control systems if I had to guess. I'd avoid it at all costs.
 

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I am literally about to buy a new truck in the next 2 or 3 weeks. I probably shouldn't be looking at a GM, considering the trouble I've had with my last two, but I don't like anything else any better. This new diesel really intrigues me. (I have an L5P Duramax currently) The issue I'm having is that there seems to be little to no info out there from real world owners yet. That's good because if they were having issues, it would be all over the web. I still would like to hear a little more though.

I'm not sure why I keep reading about these not being cost effective, especially compared to the 6.2? Diesel fuel is much cheaper than the required premium gas here.
 

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From all the reports I am seeing online of the 3.0, it is getting some outstanding fuel milage.

Way better than any of the gas offerings get.

But it's not the highest towing capacity and is still brand new. Longevity is still un known.
 

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So here is an update on my 3.0. I have gone thru about 5 tanks and its been 60/40 (city/HW) and I have a 4x4 that is getting 28 per tank. I still do the math when I fill up. I did get the computer to tell me one day coming home from work that its giving me 37+. I don't have numbers on towing yet, I know with my camper(small toy hauler) I was pulling it with my 2.8 getting 19. hope to do the same or better, it comes in at 4300 loaded.
 

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Hello to all; Thanks for the information,but I still can't get a straight answer from Chevy, one "sales manager" said they are the same truck the only difference is a sticker. That makes a lot of sense! I will just play poker (hide and watch) with them until I run into someone that knows the answer. My 2000 Silverado has 375K and most things are original, but every time I crank it up I do a "hail Mary" I know that timing chain must be stretched all to hell and I have oil leaks from several places , now the 4 wheel drive system is making an very unusual noise, sound like the front hubs may be getting loose and when put into gear under a driving load they are making the noise, smooth as silk in 2 wheel. I love the truck it has been solid and never left me stranded, but it is just worn out. I will retire it to a ranch truck until it dies.
Thanks Hercules
 
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