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Opinions of the Performance Underdrive Pulleys

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OK, to start out, I didn't know these pulley kits even existed until a few days ago but now I have spent hours researching them to see if the kits are worth it. I can definitely see dyno proof online that suggests 8-10HP gains but then I see horror stories as well. So my opinion is; Not Worth It and here's why.
Essentially, the gains come from decreasing the overall parasitic drag on the engine from all the belt driven accessories such as AC compressor, Pwr Steerg pump, Alt. & Water pump/Fan. These pulley kits often replace the stock pulleys with larger and lighter ones to slow down the accessory or "underdrive" it. Some also replace the engine crank pulley/harmonic balancer with a smaller one (and sometimes no dampening characteristics) to further slow down the driven components. So you are not really gaining horsepower, just shifting more of it to the wheels by making it easier for the engine to turn spin the belt driven stuff.
In the end, you can solve this easier and cheaper by: 1) turn the AC off; clutch disengages=no load 2) decrease your overall electrical load; alternator is regulated and only takes what it needs to supply enough amps=fewer amps smaller load 3) Install eletric fans if you have the clutch/belt driven one=less constant dynamic load on the engine but more on the self-regulated alternator when the fans are needed (refer back to Alt.) 4) Power steering; well if you need the horses that bad just omit it and pump iron so you can steer manually.
As for me; I like for my water pump and AC to turn fast enough to keep the engine/me cool. Not gonna try to manaully steer a 6K# truck with a 7K# RV behind it. I like for the steering to work effortlessly when I'm manuevering my RV at low speeds to. Conclusion: IMO Perf. UD pulleys are OUT!
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#2 ·
WOW. You really did some research on that Bart. Seems logical about sizes, and the end result of those sizes. One can assume a similar theory about changing things on a vehicle to gain self satisfaction or overall mind and eye-candy; there are men and women that work for GM that have much more schooling and overall intellect than myself. These people are graduates with engineering degrees that have put these machines together for the utmost strength and performance for which we, the consumer, should be safe. Once you start changing elements of the engine, suspension, and other supporting pieces, you are taking chances on breaking things and/or creating an unsafe environment for you and others around you.
 
#3 ·
Most underdrive pulley kits only underdrive the crank pulley and they compensate for that by overdriving the accesories with a lighter weight pulley. That's where the hosepower is saved. The weight, not the size of the pulley.

Edit: Horror stories like what? I'm not very familiar with how these motors are balanced but if someone throws on a different weight pulley most (cheaper) underdrive puleys dont have a harmonic dampener, which will cause engine failure, if these truck motors are internally balanced instead of having to be balanced by a machinist if you rebuild or whatnot then you shouldn't have that problem.
 
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The horror stories that read about were of various instances of engine damage or pulley cracking. In one case the non-dampened crank pulley caused noticeable front main seal and bearing wear. They discovered it several thousands of miles later during a re-build; uneven wear on the fronts. Another story blamed the non-dampened pulley for a busted timing chain. Still another found cracks in the new crank pulley a few weeks after installation. The stock crank pulley seems to be designed to dampen and balance the accessory loads and the engine harmonics and prevent destructive vibration frequencies from occuring. Anybody know more about this?
 
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If I am not mistaken they cause issues because these motors are externally balanced. On my car, which is internally balanced(there are weights on the crank itself) underdrive pulleys(udp's) are beneficial and will show some hp gains. But because most of the motors they put in silvy's/sierras are externally balanced, putting a udp on can cause major issues because your crank will no longer be balanced.

Edit-Not sure how a pulley would crack, unless it was poorly made.. I know guys that have ran udp's for years (internally balanced motors) without any issues..

-Chris
 
#6 ·
Like this guy said. The only way an UDP can cause damage is if the motors are externally balanced. If they are, you can take your motor to a machinist during a rebuild and have it balanced so no damage will occur. I don't understand how a UDP could cause a timing belt to snap either. Probably just coincidence. The UDP cracking.....buy a better UDP? Probably people buying ebay junk from the cheapest factory in china. What else would you expect?

Also, most factory UDP's are equipped with a harmonic dampener, since most motors at a certain RPM can cause damage if ran at that certain RPM for a little to long, so if you buy a UDP that doesn't have a harmonic dampener built in then everytime you drive you are risking the motor. Just buy a quality UDP and you won't have to worry about it.
 
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Didn't think about the balancing issue, but that could really influence my decision. Regarding the alternator and AC.... The alternator will drag regardless, b/c it's turning no matter what. It never stops. Most AC's nowadays keep kicking in, because the compressors have a tendency to lock up if not used regularly. They say they do not drag on newer vehicles, but I can notice some slight difference on my 6.2 Silverado. Not enough to live without it though :lol: I'm really appreciating that AC in the weather we are having right now.
 
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#8 ·
I had a UDP installed into my 95 Z-28 Camaro by a very reputable local racer and had zero problems with it the whole time I owned the car. It definitly gave me a gain in HP... I had other mods so this added to the overall picture of total HP so it was worth it to me. If you just plan on installing a UDP on your truck (not sure as I have never done it... or if it is safe for you to do so) and nothing else, then it probably is not worth your time in my opinion... which is a little under $.02 :lol:
 
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