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Silverado No crank, no start

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Hi folks, great forum!
I have a 2004 Chevy Silverado 1500 Z71 with 180,000 miles. It has a no crank, no start condition. I have replaced the ignition switch thinking that was the issue, but it still has the same problem.
I have had intermittent minor electrical issues for some time now. Sometimes the blower would stop working. Other times the radio would stay on after the key was removed and I opened the driver side door.
I have recently replaced the alternator, battery, knock sensors and spark plugs. Most of the new issues that recently popped up happened after I replaced the knock sensors under the intake. I had to pull up quite a bit of hardware to get to the sensors. I also did a lot cleaning and I probably got cleaner or water somewhere it shouldn't go like the PCM.
Anyway, since the knock sensor replacement, I started having a hard starting condition where the engine would start but wouldn't come up to idle unless I pumped the accelerator to about 2000 rpm. Then it would run great. Next day, same thing. It threw various ambiguous codes but nothing consistent. Then I narrowed it down to the alternator and had it tested. Sure enough, it was bad. But the battery had also been damaged. So I replaced them both.
It ran fine for weeks then one day, no crank, no start. After weeks of research, reviewing wiring diagrams and testing it seemed that the igniton switch was acting intermittently, so I replaced it. Two weeks go by without any problems then bloop! One morning, no start, no crank.
I've been able to isolate the problem to the crank relay circuit. I can jump out the crank relay and the engine cranks and even starts when the key is in the run position.
I do not have power to the small yellow wire at the top of the key cylinder housing circuit while the key is in start or run, whereas I did before. I also do not have power at the crank fuse either.
I have checked many fuse and changed a few around with no success.

Oh, another weird thing that is happening is the blower doesn't come on when the key is in the run or accessory position.

Two components I still need to look at are the Neutral Safety switch and the PCM.

Does anyone know a way to bypass the NSS or isolate the circuit in order to take the switch out of the circuit and therefore isolate the component?

Are there easier ways to check the PCM wiring without tearing everything apart?

I am stuck at this point and could use some real good advice, thanks!
 
#2 ·
I would check all the grounds under the hood and the connections at the fuse block and PCM.
 
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#3 ·
Did you replace the actual ignition switch or just the tumbler?

Power to the switch comes from the IGN A fuse (under hood) on a red wire and power to the yellow wire comes only with the ignition in start.

Power to the NSS (they actually call it PNP, Park/Neutral Position) comes from IGN E fuse (also under hood) in Start or Run.

If the problem is with the NSS try pulling up on the shifter when you crank the engine, or put it in neutral. The adjustment may be off on the shifter linkage.
 
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Just to add... The blower motor in this specific model is known to have an issue with the resistor... if you get your truck up and running a dealership might fix it for free or just for the cost of the part.... There's a service bulletin about it.
 
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Pull each wiring harness out under the dash and look for damage. There was a guy having a similar problem a few weeks back and one of the blocks by the brake pedal was a little singed and and cleaned it up and it worked.

Like was stated above you can usually isolate the NSS by using neutral to start. The intermittent symptoms definitely point to a faulty ground though, i wonder if you can re-ground the lock cylinder just to make sure its working right.

Do you have any codes now that you can read?
 
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SilverSurfer said:
Did you replace the actual ignition switch or just the tumbler?

Power to the switch comes from the IGN A fuse (under hood) on a red wire and power to the yellow wire comes only with the ignition in start.

Power to the NSS (they actually call it PNP, Park/Neutral Position) comes from IGN E fuse (also under hood) in Start or Run.

If the problem is with the NSS try pulling up on the shifter when you crank the engine, or put it in neutral. The adjustment may be off on the shifter linkage.
I replaced the actual ignition switch, located underneath the key cylinder housing.
I have start circuit diagrams I follow so I've checked the IGN A fuse and red wire, both are okay. I've also checked the IGN E fuse and yellow wire when the key is in start and run positions, both are okay.

I have tried moving the shifter around before with no change, still no crank, no start. But, I will try your specific suggestions.

The bad thing is that the problem is intermittent. I went out there yesterday and it started right up. :lol: Which makes me think it's something electronic that is being effected by humidity....I have no real reason to believe that but I'm running out of ideas.

Do you know if there is a way to temporarily bypass the PNP?
 
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gmcultr said:
Just to add... The blower motor in this specific model is known to have an issue with the resistor... if you get your truck up and running a dealership might fix it for free or just for the cost of the part.... There's a service bulletin about it.
Thanks GMCultr, I had that resistor and connector replaced about 5 years ago. It's just strange that with this intermittent cranking problem the blower doesn't work at the same time. When the truck does start the blower works. I wonder if the blower circuit could intermittently cross-short the starting circuit?
 
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djlove said:
Pull each wiring harness out under the dash and look for damage. There was a guy having a similar problem a few weeks back and one of the blocks by the brake pedal was a little singed and and cleaned it up and it worked.
Like was stated above you can usually isolate the NSS by using neutral to start. The intermittent symptoms definitely point to a faulty ground though, i wonder if you can re-ground the lock cylinder just to make sure its working right.
Do you have any codes now that you can read?
Great ideas,dj. I haven't looked real hard for bad grounds yet.

No, there are no codes and I check often.
 
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Aqualad said:
gmcultr said:
Just to add... The blower motor in this specific model is known to have an issue with the resistor... if you get your truck up and running a dealership might fix it for free or just for the cost of the part.... There's a service bulletin about it.
Thanks GMCultr, I had that resistor and connector replaced about 5 years ago. It's just strange that with this intermittent cranking problem the blower doesn't work at the same time. When the truck does start the blower works. I wonder if the blower circuit could intermittently cross-short the starting circuit?
That would be crazy weird...

Check connections at pcm/bcm? There was a guy on here with an 06 and one of the wires to either the bcm or pcm was all but broken off sometimes making connection sometimes not.

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Thanks.....more grounds.....got it.

Actually the truck has been starting fine since last week. There seems to be a correlation to the "no crank" condition when I put the plastic steering column cover on. So it may be in the column somewhere. Still checking.
 
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Okay, new twist. As long as I leave the steering column housing loose, the truck cranks and starts just fine. It's been working for a month now with no problems.

Does anyone know what the small wires are that come out of the key cylinder housing?
It looks like there is a circuit that they plug into and I'm wondering if the housing is pressing on those wire and/or the little circuit board causing some sort of no crank condition.
 
#16 ·
When you mentioned the steering column in reminded me, I have a buddy with a suburban (diff year). But his column gave him some issues a while back. the truck stopped starting, and the switch wouldn't work unless he moved the column around. it ended up completely coming apart on him, he had to rebuild it (the whole column). I believe he found some stuff on the internet, he wasn't the first person to have this problem.
 
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His was both, electrical and mechanical. his had to do with the tilt mechanism getting loose. don't know if your has something to do with it, but its worth a look if you can't find a ground or something.
 
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Update: Still having same intermittent problem. I have cleaned, tested and reseated every ground I can find.
The no start-no crank condition has not occurred in a while, like 4 months. I still have the steering column cover off.
I had to recently replace a leaking radiator. My mechanic pointed out that my coolant was low and walla, cracked radiator.
Anyway, after replacing the radiator and running around town some the truck did great. But this morning - NO START and NO CRANK!!! :x
The OBD codes read P0740, P0785 and P2761. All which point to Powertrain-Shift/timing solenoid or control circuit issue. There is also a warning in to "Service 4WD".
I went back out to my truck about 30 minutes later and it cranks fine. :cry:

What I did find during my many hours of research is that there such a thing as a low coolant-low power condition. Sort of a "Safe Mode" when the truck is low on coolant but there is no obvious leak. There is a certain type of head that is made by CASTECH that cracks and lets coolant leak down into the cylinders but there is no vapor produced out the exhaust or leak onto the ground. If you have a mysterious disappearance of coolant, it could be the CASTECH heads.

My point in bringing this up is that a similar condition maybe occurring with my truck. In that, the ECU is getting an errant signal that the coolant is low and won't let the truck crank or run in full power when it does.

Any thoughts?
 
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Well, I am truly grateful to my local mechanic. I reluctantly took the truck up to him last Friday to see if he could figure out the "no crank" situation. Yes, he figured it out. Just a bad wire to the ignition switch in the underhood fuse block. DOH!

Sometimes it just takes a second pair of eyes.......and an experienced GM tech. :)

Thanks for all your help!
 
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