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Advice/Opinions Requested Please - Preemptive Torque Converter Replace?

9.2K views 15 replies 8 participants last post by  kallsop  
#1 ·
Hello and many thanks in advance for your thoughts opinions, etc. 1st post, long time reader. I've learned a TON here, and so - apologies in advance if a few of my questions have been answered elsewhere

We have a 2017 Sierra Elevation with the 5.3 and the 6 speed, 78k miles. We do tow a large boat a few miles on level ground once or twice a month, with the accompanying boat retrieval @ the launch ramp, etc.

From the many posts, videos, etc, both here and across the www, it seems the stock torque converter is by far the leading root cause of early transmission failure, due to self-destruction.

I just siphoned out and replaced the 2nd gallon of Dexron VI 1,000 miles after the 1st gallon and plan to do a 3rd gallon @ 80k. We also installed STL010 thermostat kit, which lowered temps ~35degf. We also have the Range AFM Disabler plugged in. All that together is an amazing upgrade in performance, wow!

No real transmission performance issues noted outside of what appears “typical”; routine RPM “flairs” between shifts, a a very minor hesitation here and there, etc (which may have disappeared with this 2nd gallon ATF replaced). But I am almost certain I experienced one significant 2-3 second “shudder” event at about 40 mph; “...WTH was that?!”…

I’m trying to get ahead of this seemingly unavoidable pending torque converter failure (and the accompanying total tranny replacement), and so was thinking about buying a billet TC and have a local shop do just the TC swapout. Hopefully it's not too late...

I do know also there are other internal parts & components that should also be checked/replaced while the trans is out, but I was hoping to just do the TC for this project for now, thinking I’ll cross that other bridge (going into the internals) when I get there…

Thank you for your opinions on:

⁃ Is this a sane approach or are there other significant internal issues I should absolutely address while the trans is out? Or are the additional concerns these more “optional” at this point, seeing as there do not appear to be any other issues lurking?
- Lol, or are there additional major issues lurking that I'm ignorant of... :D
⁃ Anything else I should have them do in the TC area or general exterior while the trans is out, (replace seals, etc.)?
⁃ Important - Could any of the known-but-deferred for now potential maintenance issues damage the new TC should they occur in the future?
- Any recommendations for a TC close to stock specs? Or perhaps a mild performance increase with an otherwise stock 5.3? I plan on keeping this truck, hopefully my last vehicle for ever.

Realizing you all get tired of answering many of the same questions over and over, I thank you most kindly in advance for sharing your time, expertise, etc. Best wishes - Rob
 
#2 ·
Welcome to the site!

If it was my truck and I planned on keeping it loonnnggg term, I'd replace the TC at the first sign of symptoms and do the fluid swap every 30k thereafter. Perhaps guru @NickTransmissions will chime-in with his recommendations.
 
#4 ·
Pretty sure the biggest reason for the converter failures were because of the thermostat opening at such a high temp the diablew tune and my tweaks have made a huge difference as well as these come with grade braking or hill descent control which makes a huge difference even tho it’s a pia to turn off every time now have 70k on mine will prob upgrade stuff as I can but I don’t live in fear otherwise I’d watch these guys everyday
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#5 · (Edited)
Pretty sure the biggest reason for the converter failures were because of the thermostat opening at such a high temp
very true about cnn...as far as the converter is concerned, trans temp is a factor but not the predomimant driver behind converter failures in those transmissions plus the 2013 and older 6L equipped vehicles had no TBV but still suffered TC failures at largely the same rates as post TBV vehicles.

the main drivers are as follows:
  • Converter clutch design (.020" thick, woefully inadequate given the apply strategy)
  • Valve body wear - TCC regulator valve
  • Pump wear
  • TECHM issues
  • TBV (2015+)
 
#6 ·
Have the shop remove the trans pan to look at the fluid along with anything that may be at the bottom of the pan. If lots of black clutch material (trans or tcc) or other concerning matter, metal bits in the filter, etc - have them yank it for overhaul. If everything looks good, install an upgraded converter with a .050-.070 thick clutch (billet cover and flanged hub for HD/HP). New fluid and fast adapt relearn and it should be fine. Lastly, have them flip the pill or install a Superior Tech TBV delete kit.
 
#9 ·
Ah, you're correct-my bad. Folks have reported good luck with Florida Torque Converters. Yank and Circle D for HP/super serious duty though I imagine Fl TC can do the same for possibly a little less $$$
 
#12 ·
Sorry for the delayed reply, life. Final outcome - at 79k miles, I had Cook's Transmission in Ocean Springs MS do the following: replace OEM TC with a reman'd Precision 4645 TC, replaced input shaft o-ring, hot flushed trans cooler & lines, installed new fluid & filter, reset shift adapts - all good.

After initially discussing with Cook's my concerns about replacing something that's not broken (in violation of my personal code - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"), they totally understood. They insisted on pulling then pan for a debris check and scanning for codes first, if all clear then they would proceed as agreed, if not, time for a phone to discuss where to from here. Most of their 5 lifts were full of trucks with failing TC's...

God was with me (as always), no debris or codes found. So the above was performed and turned out very well. $1,770 total.

Couple of notes: I found out afterwards the Precision TC Cook's put in was a different company that the Precision TC everyone is talking about here, so be careful of that, if it is a concern. Also, Cook's did not recommend billet, and I didn't want to argue with them, as they were probably my best shot at actually getting done what I wanted. I had visited a couple other shops, they were not tuned in to what I wanted to do, but Cook's did - and if you are on the MS Coast, I recommend giving them a call, I had an excellent experience, totally professional. So I went with their recommended TC.

With the Range AFM Disabler, the STL010 thermostat kit, all new fluid & filter, etc., the trans feels like brand new, amazing Also - I feel like I got just what I wanted and needed for this trans to preemptively address a likely TC failure, without being oversold. All this is THANKS to this forum and the great replies. ! am happy with the outcome and wish the best for you!
 
#15 ·
After my friends Tahoe (+100k miles) grenaded over the summer, and my neighbors Sierra shuddering itself to pieces (46k), I bit the bullet (Billet?) this week and had a local old school trans shop swap in a Precision of New Hampton reman with billet cover and other bits with my standard fluid change, and coolant bypass @ 50k. Took me for right at $2k.

Trans runs ~30-35 degrees cooler in traffic, haven't driven it a ton yet but, happy so far. The piece of mind is worth the cost.
 
#16 ·
Yeah, I also got a Precision TC with billet case, installed a STL010 thermostat bypass, and used hptuners to take out TCC lockup in 1 through 4 and no slip in 5 and 6. I think this gives me the best chance for a reliable transmission. Keep on top of fluid and filter changes of course. I also have a magnefine to install inline with the cooler hose but waiting for warm weather to fit it.